It's gonna take me all day to listen to that debate because Stoller bugs me by being consistently and obliviously ignorant. Right now he's like "you say the police have always been against social justice movements and I say that's silly."

Silly or not, history disagrees with you Stoller! There is literally not a single social issue I can think of where police and policing were on the right side. Keep in mind I've *been* to protests and counter protests and I've *seen* police "defend" white supremacists from queer people at Pride in downtown Toronto. In living memory, dude!