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@janlJan Lehnardt :couchdb: Indeed, people have gotten the mistaken impression that the licensing issues have been answered. THEY HAVEN'T YET! The US Supreme Court *declined to take on* a case which had ruled in a lower court that AI generated materials were in the public domain. And yet I am seeing *all over the place* people saying that the US Supreme Court said AI output is in the public domain. They didn't!

And outside the US, nothing is answered either! It's true that the US tends to set international precedent but we are *also* not in times where we can count on that, either.

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@maexchen1 Das habe ich natürlich schon gemacht und angeblich ist das PlugIn von Inkscape fehlerhaft.
Ich habe gerade nochmal recherchiert und es scheint so zu sein, das es mal für die Version 1 vom Designer entwickelt wurde.

Puh... das ist lange her. Das erschwert unseren Umzug extrem. Wir sind echt davon ausgegangen, das zumindest einzelne Seiten funktionierten.
Jetzt alles händisch als svg exportieren? Das dauert Jahre...

@Matthias

I missed the msg with details of the issue. So not sure if the following is helpful.

Just letting you know they merged Affinity V3 support 15 hours ago according to: gitlab.com/inkscape/extras/ext

I can see some instruction on using the development version of the extension here: gitlab.com/inkscape/inbox/-/wo

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That said, I think a lot of people think we can fight AI / LLM output on copyright grounds, and I actually think that's a losing strategy. Copyright almost always helps the big players, and it would here too!

You can see, they're already counting on and hoping it will be the case.

What the big players want is for copyright to apply to AI generated output because then *only* the big players can provide LLM services. See also Sam Altman's "running intelligence as a metered utility" pitch.

And the reason they could do this: *they* can make deals with Disney, Netflix, etc. But open models can't.

But what about all the "little guys" stuff? Well, when you sign that ToS on GitHub, Stack Overflow, DeviantArt, etc etc etc, all those places, you give them a right to your content too.

And THOSE places get to sell your rights.

So fighting on copyright grounds won't be an even playing field. It helps the big AI companies win.

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Oooh, a prior oil crisis is what turned the Netherlands from a driving country to a bicycling country.

The Guardian: Do we want to keep fixing the same issue? Unlearned lessons from the first big oil crisis

As energy prices tripled in the 1970s due to Middle Eastern wars, Scandinavia, France and the Netherlands sped up green transition

theguardian.com/environment/20

Dutch cycle lanes

“Holland saddle-sore but fume free” was how Guardian editors headlined an article in November 1973 after oil price spikes led the Dutch government to ban cars on Sundays. The three-month measure was followed by a number of structural steps – from segregated cycle lanes to designing people-friendly cities – that got people on their bikes and out of vehicles that chugged foreign fuels.

“The decision of not using cars on Sundays made it clear that societies could do without them for one day,” said Jan Wittenberg, the first chair of the Dutch Cyclists’ Union, which was founded 50 years ago. “And it looked fantastic. There were picnics on motorways and kids playing in the street.”
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This little film helped me remember what I love about movies and film.

It's about a cat, and self discovery, I promise it will make your day better if you take some time out to watch it.

:)

(I've described the video in a reply to this post.)

youtube.com/watch?v=j4peeTNUEmU

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my favourite micro-community is the one that forms between folks with usernames prone to mis-tagging in GitHub issues. 🤝

Maybe we should get with the times and invite "tpu" too.

github username @gpu comments on an issue they were tagged in mistakenly, saying: "Although I was tagged rather accidentally here (that happens often, greetings to @cpu ), it somehow reminded me of an experiment that I made many years ago: http://jocl.org/GroovyGPU/ . Good luck with whatever you're building here 👍"
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"Palantir CEO Alex Karp thinks his AI technology will lessen the power of “highly educated, often female voters, who vote mostly Democrat” while increasing the power of working-class men.

“This technology disrupts humanities-trained—largely Democratic—voters, and makes their economic power less. And increases the economic power of vocationally trained, working-class, often male, working-class voters,” Karp said in a CNBC interview Thursday. “And so these disruptions are gonna disrupt every aspect of our society. And to make this work, we have to come to an agreement of what it is we’re going to do with the technology; how are we gonna explain to people who are likely gonna have less good, and less interesting jobs.” "

newrepublic.com/post/207693/pa

(the "vocationally trained working class, often male, working class voters" also stand to lose from types like Karp btw)

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Don't use LLM generated code in your projects yet! If for no other reason than that the legal case law is NOT ESTABLISHED YET.

I know there was the "copyright laundering" thing that went around a lot, but we actually don't know.

You'll see commenters everywhere on the internet say that "the US Supreme Court ruled that AI generated output is in the public domain". That's misinfo: they *declined to take on* a case from a lower court coming to that conclusion. The US Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled.

And this hasn't shaken out in an international setting yet either.

You may be surprised to hear: I actually think it's more dangerous and empowers centralized AI companies even more if it *isn't* the case that AI output is in the public domain (I'll follow up about that), but regardless, right now we just don't know.

But despite that, I'm STILL saying that you're putting yourself in legally dubious territory right now if you include LLM generated code, for now. We don't know yet.

That said, I think a lot of people think we can fight AI / LLM output on copyright grounds, and I actually think that's a losing strategy. Copyright almost always helps the big players, and it would here too!

You can see, they're already counting on and hoping it will be the case.

What the big players want is for copyright to apply to AI generated output because then *only* the big players can provide LLM services. See also Sam Altman's "running intelligence as a metered utility" pitch.

And the reason they could do this: *they* can make deals with Disney, Netflix, etc. But open models can't.

But what about all the "little guys" stuff? Well, when you sign that ToS on GitHub, Stack Overflow, DeviantArt, etc etc etc, all those places, you give them a right to your content too.

And THOSE places get to sell your rights.

So fighting on copyright grounds won't be an even playing field. It helps the big AI companies win.

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@janlJan Lehnardt :couchdb: Indeed, people have gotten the mistaken impression that the licensing issues have been answered. THEY HAVEN'T YET! The US Supreme Court *declined to take on* a case which had ruled in a lower court that AI generated materials were in the public domain. And yet I am seeing *all over the place* people saying that the US Supreme Court said AI output is in the public domain. They didn't!

And outside the US, nothing is answered either! It's true that the US tends to set international precedent but we are *also* not in times where we can count on that, either.

@cwebberChristine Lemmer-Webber @janlJan Lehnardt :couchdb: On the legal side, I think folks are counting on the fact that so much money is behind the position that AI sufficiently launders copyright that there's little chance courts in the U.S. are going to rule otherwise. I don't *like* that position, because I think it's wrong on a number of levels -- but if I had to wager a paycheck on the outcome of a court case... that's the position I'd put the money on.

It seems unlikely that SCOTUS, for example, is ever going to rule against the monied class. The only way I see SCOTUS ruling the other way is if it's two money giants going toe-to-toe and the conservatives see some advantage in finding that AI-generated code infringes on copyright. Even then, I'd expect it to be a narrow, hard-to-generalize ruling.

But what do I know? I'm just trying to keep my head above water like most folks.

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Don't use LLM generated code in your projects yet! If for no other reason than that the legal case law is NOT ESTABLISHED YET.

I know there was the "copyright laundering" thing that went around a lot, but we actually don't know.

You'll see commenters everywhere on the internet say that "the US Supreme Court ruled that AI generated output is in the public domain". That's misinfo: they *declined to take on* a case from a lower court coming to that conclusion. The US Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled.

And this hasn't shaken out in an international setting yet either.

You may be surprised to hear: I actually think it's more dangerous and empowers centralized AI companies even more if it *isn't* the case that AI output is in the public domain (I'll follow up about that), but regardless, right now we just don't know.

But despite that, I'm STILL saying that you're putting yourself in legally dubious territory right now if you include LLM generated code, for now. We don't know yet.

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기상청이 ‘제43회 기상기후 사진·콘텐츠 공모전’ 수상작 39점을 발표했습니다. ‘일상의 기록으로 기후를 말하다’라는 주제로 올해 1월12일~2월6일 진행된 공모전에는 총 3392점의 작품이 접수됐습니다. 두 차례의 전문가 평가, 대국민 공개 검증, 기상현상 검증 등을 거쳐 대상(1점), 금상(1점), 은상(2점), 동상(3점) 등 최종 수상작들이 선정됐습니다. 📸 더 많은 사진 보러 가기

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