The point I was making in the earlier part of the thread here is that the corporations that made the revolution happen paid lip service to liberation, and it was a side-effect of some of their activities, but they were *never* interested in that as a goal, and there was never as *much* liberation as they talked about. But the tools were and are real and can and are used for good as much or more as they're used for evil.
@glyph having wandered away for a few hours, and coming back to this I'm remembering an observation that I think meshes well with what you're saying: the dot com bubble put a lot of money into improbable everything-websites that made a lot of us go "wow the internet is amazing!" but they were the kinds of things that require a massive burning money pile as fuel (deviantart was the specific example) and are not an inevitable natural emergent consequence of the internet's structure
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