I didn't go into this on the podcast, but I also had to advocate for the right to have a software engineer report to me, which subverted organizational assumptions that OTHER people could report TO engineers, but engineers would only ever report to engineering leaders. Which was a fascinating dynamic that I have heard from many clients is similar in their orgs. But to have truly cross-disciplinary work we wanted that role in the lab, and made it happen. Fascinating collaboration resulted.

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