Taylan (Feminist Reply Guy) @taylan@feministwiki.org
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@sarajwSara Joy :happy_pepper: I'm not sure I agree. If I don't know what I'm supporting, then I could be supporting something horrible.

For example, I didn't know anything about Scientology for a long time, and only recently learned about their abusive behaviour and crazy beliefs. I'm glad I never supported Scientologists, even if they say they're being unfairly persecuted.

I get homosexuality and support LGB rights. Pansexuality just seems like bisexuality with some navel gazing added so whatever.

Asexuality has no reason to concern anyone, though I think it may often be the result of social issues, like the effect porn has on people, rather than an actual orientation, so I think it's ok to scrutinize as a concept and collectively think about more. I could say more but the post will get way too long.

Trans/NB/genderqueer/etc. make no sense to me. I'm still waiting for someone to explain how one can say "trans women are women" without redefining "woman" on the basis of sexist stereotypes or turning it into a vacuous definition without any meaning whatsoever, both of which are unacceptable and lead to serious real life issues that we can already observe. The transgender movement needs an internal revolution before I'll support it.
Jen @jetlagjen@gts.phillipsuk.org
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@taylanTaylan (Feminist Reply Guy) @sarajwSara Joy :happy_pepper: there is no transgender movement. Nobody is asking you to support an abstract cause. There's just people who want to be allowed to be who they are.

Whether they've always known, or whether they've had a long period of self-discovery, they are who they are and we can accept it at face value. We don't need to know the trials they've been through to acknowledge where they are now. This is as true for gender as it is for any other aspect of who someone is.

Secondly, I've never seen, experienced, or even heard about a single significant problem caused by the fact trans folk exist. Every single time someone has pointed to something that might be, it has turned out to be because of transphobia, or because of something unrelated.

Finally, if there is broad expert consensus on something, I think you need to have a really good reason to disagree. There is broad expert consensus across psychologists, psychiatrists, endocrinologists, researchers, surgeons, and anybody who has spent time around trans people that trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary identities are real and valid. "I don't get it" is not a good argument against the weight of evidence they have gathered in papers, statistics and experience.

It's been shown over and over that trans people do far better in life when people just accept them for who they are. That alone should be enough for anyone. If it isn't, why not?

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