systemd discourse

People are still upset about systemd in 2025?!
With wayland I kiinda get why people dont like it, lots of stuff didn't work at first (like screensharing), and its easy to project other frustrations on that.

But systemd? Maybe I'm showing my (lack of) age because systemd has kinda always been a part of my linux systems. And I dont remember the 1-2 times i had to touch a debian 6 or upstart ubuntu to be particularly enjoyable activities either.

And I especially don't see how you'd have the energy to be relentlessly arguing about an init system for over a decade.

systemd discourse

@kookieKookie πŸͺπŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ there's legitimate power structure problems and instances of stated deliberate monolithic design for political aims iirc. these political moves aren't cool, but at the same time all the alternatives are extremely unserious and e.g. many don't even provide service supervision and certainly don't offer widely used sandboxing or cgroups resource use isolation.

also, in general the systemd implementation of any given thing is "decent quality minimum viable product if the system were object based rather than a miserable and deeply unserious pile of text", which overall reduces my level of misery at using the system basically always. having a substrate level structured logging framework on the system is also deserving of serious kudos imo, because it can then be hooked to a log database without janky regex.

shrug. i do know my friends complain about the complexity.

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