FediThing 🏳️‍🌈 @FediThing@chinwag.org
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@mitsuhikoArmin Ronacher @glyph

That response sounds like you are admitting that LLMs are just repackaging human work against the will of those humans?

Repackaging someone else's work and putting your name on it is not sharing, it's stealing labour and stealing credit. Pirates don't pretend they made something, but LLM users do pretend this.

I agree 70 years is too long, but LLMs are reducing that to 0 years while also erasing from history the creator's credit.

Open source is where the creators are credited and they have consented to their work being used by others. LLMs are removing credit and doing it without consent.

Armin Ronacher @mitsuhiko@hachyderm.io
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@FediThingFediThing 🏳️‍🌈 @glyph LLMs are trained on human-created material in much the same way a person learns by reading books and then acting on what they've learned. They don't directly reproduce that material.

As I mentioned I strongly believe that broad sharing of knowledge is a net benefit to humanity. Questions of credit and attribution are a separate issue and to discuss them meaningfully, you first have to be clear about what you consider reasonable attribution in the first place.

You can take for instance the tankgame and then tell me which part should be attributed and is not, and what you would be attributing it to.

On the "against the will": I want you to use the code I wrote, it's definitely not against my will that LLMs are trained on the code I wrote over the years.

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