What is Hackers' Pub?

Hackers' Pub is a place for software engineers to share their knowledge and experience with each other. It's also an ActivityPub-enabled social network, so you can follow your favorite hackers in the fediverse and get their latest posts in your feed.

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@evanEvan Prodromou On Fediverse and elsewhere, chunks of up to 20-ish lines of LLM-generated code that you actually understood and carefully tested are okay. And there can be many such chunks. But if a chunk is longer than 20 lines, it's highly unlikely that anyone actually understood it and tested it. Whenever I hear people saying that they created "whole apps" or "whole websites" using LLMs, they usually later add "it was impressive initially, but didn't actually work".

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생명과학과 17학번 형 1년째 연락 못 받던데 잘 지내려나. 아껴 주고 싶어서. 읽씹이거나 차단이면 말도 안 함. 초과학기 2년 다니는 바람에 백신도 없을 때 코로나 걸리고 학기 중에 마루타 알바 하고 별별 일을 다 겪었어서. 지금도 일하느라 바쁜 것 같던데. 전화도 안 받고. 살아 있긴 하려나. 💙.

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Getting your fediverse project funded isn't easy, and while I've been especially fortunate, I do feel bad for projects that are rejected from grant requests or have few patrons/donations.

We're all in this together, and I wish we were able to attract corporate sponsors like other initiatives.

I hope this doesn't discourage devs and they keep building, because I was rejected from my first 2 grant applications before I got my first NLnet grant.

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Getting your fediverse project funded isn't easy, and while I've been especially fortunate, I do feel bad for projects that are rejected from grant requests or have few patrons/donations.

We're all in this together, and I wish we were able to attract corporate sponsors like other initiatives.

I hope this doesn't discourage devs and they keep building, because I was rejected from my first 2 grant applications before I got my first NLnet grant.

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중국어 복습용

엄마 : 你干嘛把小葵打扮成这个样子!
(짱아를 이꼴로 만달어놓고 뭐하는 거야!)

不要再玩路边狗便便的游戏!
(길바닥 개똥놀이 같은 거 하지 말라고 했지!)

짱구 : 才不是呢!
(아니거든요!)

人家是在玩花林糖扮家家酒的游戏!
(맛동산 흉내 놀이하고 있었던 거거든요!)

엄마 : 看起来都是一样的!
(겉보기에는 둘다 똑같잖아!)

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I will admit, I made this thread when pretty frustrated and upset about it. SystemD is so key to the security of many peoples' machines. I don't necessarily see having security reviews be a problem the same way that codegen and etc are. And I was wrong about the PR review vulnerability risk in that *for now* afaict the review bot is just performing read-only security review, is not taking auto-action on merging, which is the real risk.

So maybe I overreacted? But Poettering's comment reads the way that most comments I have read that have been drawn into AIgen code have gone, which is "you gotta admit that things are changing, these things are getting really good" and then opening the door to aigen contributions. Which I am very wary of...

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Poettering commented, the issue is now closed. github.com/systemd/systemd/iss

Asking for detection of security vulnerabilities from an LLM is one thing though, that one I could consider useful, but the real question is code and documentation generation. It does seem that for now, the bot usage isn't auto-merging PRs, which does alleviate some previous concerns of mine if reading that right.

But, in AGENTS.md it does mention "docs/CODING_STYLE.md — full style guide (must-read before writing code)". github.com/systemd/systemd/blo

They do require disclosure in the project also of LLM usage. But this does imply that LLM contributed changes are considered welcome, so we will probably see more of them, but I suppose at least they should hopefully be marked appropriately.

I will admit, I made this thread when pretty frustrated and upset about it. SystemD is so key to the security of many peoples' machines. I don't necessarily see having security reviews be a problem the same way that codegen and etc are. And I was wrong about the PR review vulnerability risk in that *for now* afaict the review bot is just performing read-only security review, is not taking auto-action on merging, which is the real risk.

So maybe I overreacted? But Poettering's comment reads the way that most comments I have read that have been drawn into AIgen code have gone, which is "you gotta admit that things are changing, these things are getting really good" and then opening the door to aigen contributions. Which I am very wary of...

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