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Don't use LLM generated code in your projects yet! If for no other reason than that the legal case law is NOT ESTABLISHED YET.

I know there was the "copyright laundering" thing that went around a lot, but we actually don't know.

You'll see commenters everywhere on the internet say that "the US Supreme Court ruled that AI generated output is in the public domain". That's misinfo: they *declined to take on* a case from a lower court coming to that conclusion. The US Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled.

And this hasn't shaken out in an international setting yet either.

You may be surprised to hear: I actually think it's more dangerous and empowers centralized AI companies even more if it *isn't* the case that AI output is in the public domain (I'll follow up about that), but regardless, right now we just don't know.

But despite that, I'm STILL saying that you're putting yourself in legally dubious territory right now if you include LLM generated code, for now. We don't know yet.

That said, I think a lot of people think we can fight AI / LLM output on copyright grounds, and I actually think that's a losing strategy. Copyright almost always helps the big players, and it would here too!

You can see, they're already counting on and hoping it will be the case.

What the big players want is for copyright to apply to AI generated output because then *only* the big players can provide LLM services. See also Sam Altman's "running intelligence as a metered utility" pitch.

And the reason they could do this: *they* can make deals with Disney, Netflix, etc. But open models can't.

But what about all the "little guys" stuff? Well, when you sign that ToS on GitHub, Stack Overflow, DeviantArt, etc etc etc, all those places, you give them a right to your content too.

And THOSE places get to sell your rights.

So fighting on copyright grounds won't be an even playing field. It helps the big AI companies win.

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@janlJan Lehnardt :couchdb: Indeed, people have gotten the mistaken impression that the licensing issues have been answered. THEY HAVEN'T YET! The US Supreme Court *declined to take on* a case which had ruled in a lower court that AI generated materials were in the public domain. And yet I am seeing *all over the place* people saying that the US Supreme Court said AI output is in the public domain. They didn't!

And outside the US, nothing is answered either! It's true that the US tends to set international precedent but we are *also* not in times where we can count on that, either.

@cwebberChristine Lemmer-Webber @janlJan Lehnardt :couchdb: On the legal side, I think folks are counting on the fact that so much money is behind the position that AI sufficiently launders copyright that there's little chance courts in the U.S. are going to rule otherwise. I don't *like* that position, because I think it's wrong on a number of levels -- but if I had to wager a paycheck on the outcome of a court case... that's the position I'd put the money on.

It seems unlikely that SCOTUS, for example, is ever going to rule against the monied class. The only way I see SCOTUS ruling the other way is if it's two money giants going toe-to-toe and the conservatives see some advantage in finding that AI-generated code infringes on copyright. Even then, I'd expect it to be a narrow, hard-to-generalize ruling.

But what do I know? I'm just trying to keep my head above water like most folks.

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Don't use LLM generated code in your projects yet! If for no other reason than that the legal case law is NOT ESTABLISHED YET.

I know there was the "copyright laundering" thing that went around a lot, but we actually don't know.

You'll see commenters everywhere on the internet say that "the US Supreme Court ruled that AI generated output is in the public domain". That's misinfo: they *declined to take on* a case from a lower court coming to that conclusion. The US Supreme Court hasn't yet ruled.

And this hasn't shaken out in an international setting yet either.

You may be surprised to hear: I actually think it's more dangerous and empowers centralized AI companies even more if it *isn't* the case that AI output is in the public domain (I'll follow up about that), but regardless, right now we just don't know.

But despite that, I'm STILL saying that you're putting yourself in legally dubious territory right now if you include LLM generated code, for now. We don't know yet.

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기상청이 ‘제43회 기상기후 사진·콘텐츠 공모전’ 수상작 39점을 발표했습니다. ‘일상의 기록으로 기후를 말하다’라는 주제로 올해 1월12일~2월6일 진행된 공모전에는 총 3392점의 작품이 접수됐습니다. 두 차례의 전문가 평가, 대국민 공개 검증, 기상현상 검증 등을 거쳐 대상(1점), 금상(1점), 은상(2점), 동상(3점) 등 최종 수상작들이 선정됐습니다. 📸 더 많은 사진 보러 가기

설악산에 뜬 렌즈 모양 구름…지형과 기류가 빚어낸 ‘자...

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아시아축구연맹(AFC) 아시안컵 출전차 오스트레일리아(호주)에 있다가 망명 신청을 한 이란 여자축구 대표팀 선수 가운데 한 명이 마음을 바꿔 이란행 비행기에 몸을 실었습니다. 이 선수의 어머니는 딸을 향해 “이란에 돌아오지 마. 그들은 너를 죽일 거야”라고 말한 것으로 전해졌습니다.

망명 철회 이란 선수…엄마의 “돌아오지마, 널 죽일 거...

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I just saw a LinkedIN post from some principal security doofus at Microsoft being loud and wrong about large language models.

Serious question - given that Microslop has been producing trash code, which has been getting worse and worse over the last 30 years. Why do people still listen to them, or take them seriously? They wrote code so bad, it broke their text editor, why does anyone give credence to the things they say and write?

I'm sure it has to do with some combo of money and market share, but these clowns have been loud and wrong for three decades. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they are still doing it today. Maybe that's the one thing that has been consistent about them over the years? That and being run by monsters.

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Tempted to write a post that software development lost the plot a long time ago, and that the recent LLM developments are merely the icing on that cake. Software these days is not the painstaking work by people like @bagderdaniel:// stenberg:// or @hycHoward Chu @ Symas or @vitautvitaut 🤍❤️🤍 🇺🇦 who write the best code they possibly can. Over the past decade, "the software world" has been developing in a very different way than that.

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기상청이 ‘제43회 기상기후 사진·콘텐츠 공모전’ 수상작 39점을 발표했습니다. ‘일상의 기록으로 기후를 말하다’라는 주제로 올해 1월12일~2월6일 진행된 공모전에는 총 3392점의 작품이 접수됐습니다. 두 차례의 전문가 평가, 대국민 공개 검증, 기상현상 검증 등을 거쳐 대상(1점), 금상(1점), 은상(2점), 동상(3점) 등 최종 수상작들이 선정됐습니다. 📸 더 많은 사진 보러 가기

설악산에 뜬 렌즈 모양 구름…지형과 기류가 빚어낸 ‘자...

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uspol, trans genocide, thinking out loud

Okay, so the pieces haven't fallen in place for this yet. But I am looking at recent news and trying to game things out. If near term risks are signs that:

- ICE could start going after trans people
- The FDA might start cracking down on DIY

then I see a bunch of people being like "I should build a back-stock of DIY estrodiol right now". But what happens if those two combine? Is there a future within the next year or two where trans people get raided for having "illegal supplies of drugs"?

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@evanEvan Prodromou I almost included a caveat around the fediverse and bluesky. I was excited about both for a while, I think there is still a lot of potential here but in general I have been pretty dissapointed in how its played out. Feels like there are too many people that want to keep the fediverse as some private geek hangout to make the tradeoffs needed to make it widely impactful.

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Da latscht man durch den Regen nach Hause, ärgert sich, dass man keinen Regenschirm mitgenommen hat und auch die Kapuze der Jacke schön zuhause liegt, weil man die neulich abgemacht hat 😣

Und dann kommt große Freude auf, weil an der Haustür das Paket von Mastodon mit meinem Tshirt liegt 🥳

@GargronEugen Rochko love the shirt! Nice fabric and the print looks very good.

Tragefoto vom neuen Mastodon-Tshirt.
Dunkelblaues T-Shirt mit Aufdruck

Eine große gelbe Mastodon-Figur befindet sich als Venus-Gemälde in einer Muschel, die von einem goldenen Rahmen umgeben ist. Rechts daneben stehen zwei kleine Mastodons wie im Museum vor dem großen Gemälde, die grüne Mastodon-Figur mit einem Stock und dunkler Brille, ein rotes Mastodon erklärt ihm das Bild. Oben rechts neben dem Gemälde steht der Text 'I write ALT TEXT'. 
Unten ist ein kleiner weißer Text: 'A red Mastodon excitedly describes the Birth of Venus painting to a green Mastodon carrying a cane and wearing dark glasses.'
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