What is Hackers' Pub?

Hackers' Pub is a place for software engineers to share their knowledge and experience with each other. It's also an ActivityPub-enabled social network, so you can follow your favorite hackers in the fediverse and get their latest posts in your feed.

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I find the tension concerning the use of AI tooling in the open source community interesting.

On the one hand, here we have a community who believe code should be openly shared and can be used for any purpose; that's encoded in the license.

The only difference of opinion is whether the license should enforce this openness.

But there's also a very strong reaction by many in the same community to training AI on open source code.

Emotion is a large part of both beliefs: wanting to use open source, or against training AI on it. Emotional reactions are legitimate. There must be an underlying believe system that evokes both.

I can see this as "rage against the system" except that many of the same people do not seem to react as angrily if open source code is used by that same system in other ways. Even free software purists accept this reuse, as long as the source remains open.

Perhaps it's that this use of open source source code was never expected: you'd either reuse its functionality OR learn from it as a human. Machine learning doesn't fit that.

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์ž์บ์ฐ ์ž˜ ์•ˆ ํ’€๊ณ ........ ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฒจ๋„ ๋‚™์„œ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋” ๊ทธ๋ ค๋“œ๋ฆด ๋ฟ ๋จผ์ € ์ฐ ๋ฑ‰์–ด๋‹ฌ๋ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์—” ์ฐ๋„ ์•ˆ ๋ฑ‰์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ €๋ž€ ์ฅ

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ๅ‹้”ๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใชใใ€€ไป•ไบ‹ใฎๆบ–ๅ‚™ใจใ‹ใ€ไธ€ไบบใงใงใใ‚‹่ถฃๅ‘ณใซๆฒก้ ญใ™ใ‚‹่ฏใŒใชใ„ไผ‘ๆ—ฅใฎ้€ฃ็ถšใฏใ†ใ‚“ใ–ใ‚Šใชใ‚“ใ ใ‚
ใ“ใ†ใ„ใ†ไบ‹่จ€ใ†ใจใ€ๅๅนดไปฅไธŠๅ‰ใซๆต่กŒใฃใŸใ€Œๅ‡บไผšใ„ๅŽจใ€ใฟใŸใ„ใงๅซŒใชใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉใ•ใใ€€ๆœญๅนŒๅธ‚ๅœจไฝใงไปŠๆ—ฅใฎๆ˜ผใงใ‚‚้ฃฏ้ฃŸใ„ใซ่กŒใฃใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใฃใฆๅฑ…ใชใ„โ€ฆใ‹ใ€€ๅฑ…ใ‚‹ใ‚ใ‘ใชใ„ใ‚ใช

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I find the tension concerning the use of AI tooling in the open source community interesting.

On the one hand, here we have a community who believe code should be openly shared and can be used for any purpose; that's encoded in the license.

The only difference of opinion is whether the license should enforce this openness.

But there's also a very strong reaction by many in the same community to training AI on open source code.

Emotion is a large part of both beliefs: wanting to use open source, or against training AI on it. Emotional reactions are legitimate. There must be an underlying believe system that evokes both.

I can see this as "rage against the system" except that many of the same people do not seem to react as angrily if open source code is used by that same system in other ways. Even free software purists accept this reuse, as long as the source remains open.

Perhaps it's that this use of open source source code was never expected: you'd either reuse its functionality OR learn from it as a human. Machine learning doesn't fit that.

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@dansup but how about "post it to closed groups only" (like Hubzilla does?)

But yes, if a server of a user who is in the group has implemented it wrong, on purpose or by accident, it will be publicly available to all on the server....

but: people want to have privacy.
so I don't agree with your post. I think it's really wrong!

We want people to leave Facebook + Insta, where they can say, who should be able to see a post. and that's something we need in the Fediverse too.

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and you guys need to stop criticizing people who build search indexes.

literally every fediverse server also acts as one, and if you are so worried about privacy, perhaps a public focused protocol like this isn't the best option.

we need to do better if we want people to actually join and keep using this, the few loud voices that argue against progress must be ignored if we want to be taken seriously.

so we must build ๐Ÿš€

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"AI is giving attackers a huge advantage!"

"Yes, it is. It's amazing how quickly it has destroyed dev, sec, ops, management, company missions and priorities, regulations, information literacy, and civil society, making everyone more vulnerable."

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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๊ท€์–ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„๊นŒ 14๊ถŒ ๊ด€๋ จ

์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๊ท€์–ด๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์„๊นŒ 14๊ถŒ์ด ์™„๊ฒฐ์ธ๋ฐ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์ž‘๊ฐ€์˜ ๋ง์— ์—ฐ์žฌ ๋๋‚ ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋™์„ฑํ˜ผ์ด ๋ฒ•์ œํ™”๋˜๋ฉด ๋‘˜์ด ๊ฒฐํ˜ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๊ทธ๋ฆด ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ... ๊ฐ™์€ ์–˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์จ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ .

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