洪民憙 (Hong Minhee): 근데 LLM에서 XML이나 JSON을 쓰는 게 효율 때문이 아니라 LLM이 해당 포맷에 익숙하기 때문인 거 아닌가…? 🤔 https://github.com/johannschopplich/toon

Syntax	Description	Examples
`"` keyword `"`	Finds the string within quotes, including spaces. Case-insensitive. (Escape quotes inside with `\"`)	`"Hackers' Pub"`
`from:` handle	Finds content written by the specified user.	`from:hongminhee` `from:hongminhee@hollo.social`
`lang:` ISO 639-1	Finds content written in the specified language.	`lang:en`
`#` tag	Finds content with the specified tag. Case-insensitive.	`#HackersPub`
condition condition	Finds content that satisfies both conditions on either side of the space (logical AND).	`"Hackers' Pub" lang:en`
condition `OR` condition	Finds content that satisfies at least one of the conditions on either side of the OR operator (logical OR).	`#HackersPub OR "Hackers' Pub" lang:en`
`(` condition `)`	Combines the operators within the parentheses first.	`(#HackersPub OR "Hackers' Pub" OR "Hackers Pub") lang:en`

洪民憙 (Hong Minhee) @hongminhee@hackers.pub

10/27/2025, 11:11:41 AM

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근데 LLM에서 XML이나 JSON을 쓰는 게 효율 때문이 아니라 LLM이 해당 포맷에 익숙하기 때문인 거 아닌가…? 🤔

https://github.com/johannschopplich/toon

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Haze @nebuleto@hackers.pub

10/28/2025, 12:25:47 AM

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@hongminhee洪民憙 (Hong Minhee) 라고 하기엔 LLM도 얼마 전까진 Schema를 알려줘도 structured output을 내기가 어려웠죠 ㅋㅋㅋ 이제 Claude도 원하는 커스텀한 포맷을 쓸 수 있다 이야기하니 좋은 옵션일 것 같아요.

Jaeho Lee @jaeholee@hackers.pub

10/28/2025, 1:02:13 AM

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@hongminhee洪民憙 (Hong Minhee) 의외로 괜찮을 수도 있지 않을까 싶은데, Retrieval Accuracy 벤치마크를 보면 흥미로울정도로 다른 포맷들도 잘 작동하진 않네요 ㅋㅋㅋ