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ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ใ‚‚ใฃโ€‹:foxjump:โ€‹
ใ“ใฎๆŠ•็จฟใ‚’่ฆ‹ใ‹ใ‘ใŸไบบใฎๆ˜Žๆ—ฅ(11ๆœˆ15ๆ—ฅ)ใฎ้‹ๆจกๆง˜ใฏโ€ฆ
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ไธ€ๆ—ฅใ‚’้€šใ—ใฆๅˆคๆ–ญๅŠ›ใ‚„่กŒๅ‹•ๅŠ›ใŒๅ†ดใˆใใ†ใช้›ฐๅ›ฒๆฐ—ใŒใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ‚‚ใฃ
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ๆ—ฅใฎๅ‡บใ‹ใ‚‰ๆ—ฅๆฒกใซใ‹ใ‘ใฆใฏ็ฉใ‚„ใ‹ใช้‹ๆฐ—ใซๆตใพใ‚Œใใ†ใงใ™ใ‚‚ใฃ
โœจ็€ๅฎŸใซ็‰ฉไบ‹ใซๅ–ใ‚Š็ต„ใ‚“ใงใ„ใ‘ใใ†ใชๆตใ‚ŒใŒใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใฎใงใ€็„ฆใ‚‰ใšๆ™‚้–“ใซไฝ™่ฃ•ใ‚’ๆŒใฃใฆ่กŒๅ‹•ใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‰ใงใ™ใ‚‚ใฃ๐ŸŒŸ
ๆ—ฅๆฒกไปฅ้™ใซใ‹ใ‘ใฆใฏใจใฆใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„้‹ๆฐ—ใซๆตใพใ‚Œใใ†ใงใ™ใ‚‚ใฃ
โœจไปŠๅพŒใŒๆฅฝใ—ใฟใซใชใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๆƒ…ๅ ฑ็ญ‰ใŒ่ˆžใ„่พผใฟใ‚„ใ™ใ„ๅ…†ใ—ใ‚‚ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ใ‚‚ใฃโœจใพใŸ่ถฃๅ‘ณใ‚„ไป•ไบ‹ใชใฉใฎไบˆๅฎšใ‚’็ซ‹ใฆใฆใฟใ‚‹ใฎใ‚‚่‰ฏใ•ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‚‚ใฃ๐Ÿต
ๆ˜Žๆ—ฅใ‚‚่‰ฏใ„ๆ—ฅใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ
โ€‹:blob_runrun:โ€‹

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ๆ—ฉๅฏๆ—ฉ่ตทใๆฐ‘ใฏ ใใ‚ใใ‚ ๅฏใ‚‹ๆ”ฏๅบฆใ‚’ๅง‹ใ‚ใพใ™ โ€‹:ameownod:โ€‹

โ€‹:explosion:โ€‹ ใงใฏใชใ โ€‹:potittona:โ€‹ โ€‹:potittona:โ€‹ ใฎ ็š†ๆง˜ใ‚‚ โ€‹:itumo_arigatou:โ€‹
ไปŠๆ—ฅใ‚‚
โ€‹:attouteki_kansha:โ€‹ โ€‹:deep_arigatou_hukakukansya:โ€‹ โ€‹:meowpensivepray:โ€‹

ใงใฏ ใพใŸๆ˜Žๆ—ฅใญ
โ€‹:ai_wave:โ€‹
โ€‹:oyasumisskey:โ€‹

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๐Ÿ–Œ๋ฒˆ์—ญ)์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ „ ์—„๋งˆํ•œํ…Œ ์ „ํ™”๋กœ ๋“ค์€ ์–˜๊ธฐ. ์—„๋งˆ ๋Œ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์•ผ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ํƒ€์—์„œ๋„ ๊ณฐ์ด ์—„์ฒญ ๋‚˜์™€์„œ, ๋‰ด์Šค์— ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ๋‹จ๋‹ค.
๊ณฐ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์— ์‹ ๊ณ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ผ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์‹ ๊ณ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋ช‡์‹œ์ฏค ๋ดค๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด์•ผ ๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ๋‹ค ์„œ๋ฅ˜๋„ ์“ฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ๋ณผ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์‹ ๊ณ ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ท€์ฐฎ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์•„๋ฌด๋„(์ ์–ด๋„ ์—„๋งˆ ๋Œ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์—์„œ๋Š”) ์‹ ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์•ˆ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ‘œ๋ฉด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ์ˆซ์ž๋ณด๋‹ค ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๊ณฐ์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค.

ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ท€์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ , ๋†์ž‘๋ฌผ์€ ์ผ์ฐŒ๊ฐ์น˜ ์ˆ˜ํ™•์„ ๋๋‚ด๊ณ  ๊ฐ๋„ ์ „๋ถ€ ๋‹ค ๋”ฐ๋†“๋Š” ๋“ฑ ๋Œ€์ฑ…์€ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.

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๋‚จํŽธ ์‹ญ์—ฌ๋…„ ์‹ ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒจ์šธ๋ถ€์ธ ๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค ํ—ค์ ธ์„œ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ƒˆ๋กœ ์ƒ€๋Š”๋ฐ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์ง‘์—์„œ๋„ ์‹ ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ดใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ใ…‹ ๊ท€์—ฝ

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์ผ๋ถ€ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์ž๋“ค์ด ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์ฃผ์žฅ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค. "์ธ๊ฐ„์€ ํฌ์œ ๋ฅ˜๋กœ ๋ถ„๋ฅ˜๋˜๋Š” ๋™๋ฌผ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ๋จน์ด์‚ฌ์Šฌ์— ํฌํ•จ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„ ์ƒํƒœ๋Š” ๋ฐ”์ด๋Ÿฌ์Šค์— ๊ฐ€๊น๋‹ค"๊ณ 

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@stefanoStefano Marinelli

Reading your article, I was able to identify the type of character depicted in the other article you cited.

Unfortunately, for some time now, a segment of the Linux communityโ€”let's call it the "mainstream"โ€”has been increasingly espousing this "if it's new and shiny, it's good; if it's old, it's therefore bad and no longer efficient" sentiment (I won't mention which community; those who want to know will understand).

"They don't want to accept the new" is now used by these individuals as a synonym for "you're forced to accept this new software because we've decided it's better, and that's it." It's no longer a question of being able to decide whether or not to use this or that software; you're forced to accept it, the communities of these "old software" or those who merely fork it are being denigrated and censored.

Right below your article, I was offered this other article from this summer that connects well with this one and sums up the current situation nicely.

my-notes.dragas.net/2025/06/19

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@stefanoStefano Marinelli well written! I found myself the *bsd communities very welcoming when I came to freebsd in late 2018. I feel there is a lot less toxicity - maybe because the community is also smaller than that of the various Linux distributions. Regarding the fact that it is not a batlle - I remember the time we had more than a dozen of window managers available, all differents, and no one thought it was bad - it was a key benefit : make what you want with your computer, make it your own. Maybe I ยดm an old boomer, but I find that itโ€™s a bit too standardized nowโ€ฆ :)

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'์ข…๋ฌ˜' ์ผ๋Œ€ '์„ธ๊ณ„์œ ์‚ฐ์ง€๊ตฌ' ๋œ๋‹ค (์ข…ํ•ฉ) ์ˆ˜์ • 2025.11.13. ์˜คํ›„ 9:19 ๋ฌธํ™”์œ ์‚ฐ์œ„ '์ข…๋ฌ˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์œ ์‚ฐ์ง€๊ตฌ ์‹ ๊ทœ ์ง€์ •' ์‹ฌ์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์œ ์‚ฐ ๊ตฌ์—ญ๊ณผ ๋ณด์กด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์™„์ถฉ ๊ตฌ์—ญ ํฌํ•จ ์ข…๋ฌ˜ ์ค‘์‹ฌ 19๋งŒ4089.6ใŽก ๊ทœ๋ชจ ์ง€์ • ๋‚ด๋‹ฌ ์•ˆ์— ํ–‰์ • ์ ˆ์ฐจ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ mobile.newsis.com/view/NISX202...

'์ข…๋ฌ˜' ์ผ๋Œ€ '์„ธ๊ณ„์œ ์‚ฐ์ง€๊ตฌ' ๋œ๋‹ค (์ข…ํ•ฉ)

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๐Ÿ–Œ๋ฒˆ์—ญ)์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ „ ์—„๋งˆํ•œํ…Œ ์ „ํ™”๋กœ ๋“ค์€ ์–˜๊ธฐ. ์—„๋งˆ ๋Œ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์•ผ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ํƒ€์—์„œ๋„ ๊ณฐ์ด ์—„์ฒญ ๋‚˜์™€์„œ, ๋‰ด์Šค์— ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ๋‹จ๋‹ค.
๊ณฐ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์— ์‹ ๊ณ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ผ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์‹ ๊ณ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋ช‡์‹œ์ฏค ๋ดค๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ž์„ธํžˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด์•ผ ๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ๋‹ค ์„œ๋ฅ˜๋„ ์“ฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ๋ณผ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์‹ ๊ณ ํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ท€์ฐฎ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์•„๋ฌด๋„(์ ์–ด๋„ ์—„๋งˆ ๋Œ ์ฃผ๋ณ€์—์„œ๋Š”) ์‹ ๊ณ ๋ฅผ ์•ˆ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ . ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ‘œ๋ฉด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š” ์ˆซ์ž๋ณด๋‹ค ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๊ณฐ์ด ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค.

ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ท€์ฐฎ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ , ๋†์ž‘๋ฌผ์€ ์ผ์ฐŒ๊ฐ์น˜ ์ˆ˜ํ™•์„ ๋๋‚ด๊ณ  ๊ฐ๋„ ์ „๋ถ€ ๋‹ค ๋”ฐ๋†“๋Š” ๋“ฑ ๋Œ€์ฑ…์€ ์„ธ์šฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.

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์‚ถ์˜ ๊ณ ๋‚œ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋” ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์–ด๋ ค์›€ ์†์—์„œ๋„ ํฌ๋ง์„ ์žƒ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.

๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋‚ด๋ฉด์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋น›์„ ๋ฏฟ์œผ์„ธ์š”.

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If I had a penny for every time I heard something like

"We're going to track increases in productivity that we gain by adopting GenAI"

1. So you're assuming it's an increase
2. Against what control group
3. With no acknowledgement of confounding variables or experiment design
4. Around the...famously open problem of measuring software engineering productivity?

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... ์š”์ฆ˜ ์„ธ์ƒ์— ์‚ฌ์ฃผํŒ”์ž ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฒ ์ด์Šค ์–ผ๋ง๊นŒ. chatgpt์™€ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ธด ํ• ๊นŒ

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์ €๋…์‹์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์‰ฌ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋™์ถ• ์ผ€์ด๋ธ”์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์•ผํ•ด์š”.
ๅค•้ฃŸใ‚’ใกใ‚‡ใ†ใฉ้ฃŸใน็ต‚ใˆใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ“ใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰ๅฐ‘ใ—ไผ‘ใ‚“ใงใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ๅŒ่ปธใ‚ฑใƒผใƒ–ใƒซใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‰ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐใชใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚

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๋ณผ๋”ฐ๊ตฌ ๊ฒฝ์Ÿ์ปจํ…์ธ  ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ 10%๋Œ€ ๋šซ์–ด๋ด„ ใ…‹ใ…‹... ๋ชจ๋‘ 12์ง€์—ญ ์˜์ถ˜์ด ์•ž์— ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์„ ๊ฟ‡์–ด์„œ
์ด๊ธฐ๋Š”๊ฑด ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฌด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋”œ๋ฌด์ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ํ”Œ๋žœ์ด ๋จนํž˜...

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