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๋Œ€ํ•œ๋ฏผ๊ตญ ๊ฐœ์‹ ๊ต(์žฅ๋กœ๊ต) ์ฃผ๋ฅ˜ ์ข…ํŒŒ๋Š” ์˜› ์„œ์›์˜ ์œ ๊ตํƒˆ๋ ˆ๋ฐ˜์  ์•…์Šต์„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์‹ ์ฒœ๋ฏผ์ž๋ณธ์ฃผ์˜์™€ ์ ‘๋ชฉํ•ด์„œ ํ˜„๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ „๋œ ๊ทธ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋‹ค.
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I've been saying for a while that our inability to measure or value these models' lack of a viewpoint/theory-of-own-mind/rich internal goal and value structure will be the shoals a lot of the more "creative" outputs break on.

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:565ebob5f6hw33hjdkxty6qj/post/3mbwem6vjbs2u


The value-destroying potential...

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@swift I sometimes end up talking to them about it, and they seem to be aware AI is sometimes wrong... But yet they keep using it for literally everything.

It's almost like an addict who knows the addiction might be hurting them, but can't stop using.

I can see the damage it's doing to the long term maintainability of our environment and platform too :(

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Is anyone else experience this thing where your fellow senior engineers seem to be lobotomised by AI?

I've had 4 different senior engineers in the last week come up with absolutely insane changes or code, that they were instructed to do by AI. Things that if you used your brain for a few minutes you should realise just don't work.

They also rarely can explain why they make these changes or what the code actually does.

I feel like I'm absolutely going insane, and it also makes me not able to trust anyones answers or analysis' because I /know/ there is a high chance they should asked AI and wrote it off as their own.

I think the effect AI has had on our industry's knowledge is really significant, and it's honestly very scary.

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์‹œํฌํ•ด ๋ณด์ธ๋‹จ ์ด์•ผ๊ธธ ๋งŽ์ด ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์ง‘ ๋ƒฅ. ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์‹œํฌํ•œ๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋ƒ์˜ค๋ƒ ์ž๋ž€ ์ œ๋ฉ‹๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ถ€์žฃ์ง‘ ์•„๋“ค๋‚ด๋ฏธ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค.

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The important part of this is not that AI can be good at craftโ€”but that, as Hollis says, no amount of craft will make us feel a model has written a โ€œgreatโ€ poem. AI keeps revealing that we care about human action, not about the abstractions (intelligence, creativity) we invented to describe it. +

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:2swfvxtdfegcwxc6tnyczjo3/post/3mbvvfiso3s2p

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์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ๋ณต์‹ค๋ณต์‹คํ•œ ์†๋‚ด๋ฅผ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์ฃ . ์ตœ๊ทผ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ธ”์นœ๋‹˜๋“ค, ๋‹˜๋“ค์€ ์†์œผ์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋„ํŠธ๋งŒ ์ฐ๋Š”์ค„ ์•Œ์•˜๊ฒ ์ง€, ๋‹˜๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ„ธ๋จน์ผ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ์ฟ ํ—คํ—คํ—คํ—คํ—คํ—คํ—คํ—ค

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